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I haven't plunged into the murky depths of the so called "Sponge Bob" controversy, but I have got to say this much; Michael Ventre of MSNBC (Main Stream Network Bashing Christians) comes off as a Genuine, 100%, A-1 Authentic Ignoramus.
Dr. John Mark Reynolds expresses my sentiments well.
All I can add is- Thank God for home schooling. May God have mercy on our public school children.
* * * UPDATE * * *Focus on Family Statement
Bill Cork has a good grasp on the story.
Dr. Don Wildmon Money Quote-
"If you are a person who accepts the homosexual lifestyle, then you are tolerant," he said. "If you don't, then you are a bigot who is motivated by ignorance and hate."
More from Dr. Reynolds...
First, no evangelical is ever allowed to denounce anything in pop culture. That is the first media rule. Since we all know, in a breath taking piece of stereotyping not seen since we danced Jim Crow, that all evangelical leaders are prudes and irrational no one ever asks if such concerns are valid. If an evangelical says it, then we know it is false and hopelessly reactionary. At this point, Michael Jackson's best p.r. hope is for some evangelical to denounce him. The LA Times would then find some way to praise the King of Pop.
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So I'm not a hateful, ignorant jerk. Great, I was beginning to wonder.
1. It seems to me from your previous comments as it apparently does to Adam as well that you have a surprising tolerance for personal short comings when looking at us white men, but seem almost completely intolerant of those found in a great black man like MLK.
2. Killing the "helpless" and "innocent" is wrong only if that life happens to be still directly involved with a women's reproductive cycle.
i.e. no arguments for ppl on life support or in comas... (many of them babies themselves)
3. The sponge bob thing just leaves me speechless......
Is it wrong to pass judgment on everyone except minorities and homosexuals?
with all the violence being commited against gays and lesbians, what is wrong with encourgaing kids to just live and let live?
Do you think those poor people chose to be that way?
On point #1-I never expressed an intolerance “for the personal short comings” of MLK. I quote myself;
“I have no problem with MLK…
Mr. King was certainly a couragous leader, and was willing to make great personal sacrifices…
In that regard, I have the utmost of admiration for what he did...
MLK has earned a place of honor in history. "
Like Adam, you seem to have read something into my post that was not there.
On point #2-
I am not going to run down every rabbit hole you point to (i.e., masturbation is murder.) For your part, you have never given an argument for why a parasite ought not be considered human.
On point #3-
Perhaps you are speechless because your knee-jerk hostility to Dr. Dobson specifically and evangelical Christianity in general has left you ignorant of what the issue really is about.
The quote noted about that if Christians attack something in pop-culture is suddenly is defended very vehemently is so accurate. I bet Michael Jackson could be rescued from the PR hole he is in if someone would just denounce him.
Actually I did give reasons for why a parasite ought not be considered a human. It cannot sustain its own life!
It cannot sustain its own life!
It cannot sustain its own life!
EDITED FOR BREVITY
His definition of humanity, personhood, and life are the only scientific and logical standard to apply. He gives no evidence for his definitions being universally accepted by scientists, but we are expected to accept his assertion on... faith? Oh, and christians don't believe things based on facts and the Bible is all wrong. OJ did it, but he can't prove it, and he started to know the TRUTH when he started studying science/history/law in college.
To further elaborate on your 2nd point!
EDITED FOR BREVITY
He expounds upon his definition of "person", by demonstrating that a human ear grown in a petri dish is not a person. He then tells us that for an unborn child to have rights, personhood must be established... using HIS definition, of course. Once again, the m-------tion/murder thing is mentioned.
Can't seem to get this to post anywhere else...Actually I did give reasons for why a parasite ought not be considered a human.
It cannot sustain its own life!
It cannot sustain its own life!
It cannot sustain its own life!
EDITED FOR BREVITY
This is a duplicate post, as the comment moderation switch was inadvertently set. His definition of humanity, personhood, and life are the only scientific and logical standard to apply. He gives no evidence for his definitions being universally accepted by scientists, but we are expected to accept his assertion on... faith? Oh, and christians don't believe things based on facts and the Bible is all wrong. OJ did it, but he can't prove it, and he started to know the TRUTH when he started studying science/history/law in college.
To further elaborate on your 2nd point!
EDITED FOR BREVITY
He expounds upon his definition of "person", by demonstrating that a human ear grown in a petri dish is not a person. He then tells us that for an unborn child to have rights, personhood must be established... using HIS definition, of course. Once again, the m-------tion/murder thing is mentioned.
So, I've said my piece! Happy blogging gaw
[q]Actually I did give reasons for why a parasite ought not be considered a human. It cannot sustain its own life!
It cannot sustain its own life!
It cannot sustain its own life! [/q]
You contend that the ability to sustain one's own life is an attribute that determines whether a lifeform is human or not. I disagree. Your definition seems to exclude the open-heart surgery patient, victim of heart attack, and the paraplegic.
At what point did this child become human?
Everything else (OJ, ears in a petri dish, masturbation is murder, etc) is just a tiresome ranting on your part.
Here's the crux of the matter- I say a person becomes a person at some time before they are born. You say not. Now, you want me to argue you to the point of seeing what is obvious, but the hardness of your heart on this subject has blinded you to what is plainly clear.
It's sad.
By the way, when I moved the posts over from the old blog the "moderation" switch got set to "on" for all the old posts. That's why your comments weren't showing up. I've turned it off here, and will do for the others sooner or later.
**EDIT**
OOOH, the raw POWER of SQL... that only took 7/10,000th of a second!
(19 total, Query took 0.0007 sec)
**EDIT**
OOOH, the raw POWER of SQL... that only took 7/10,000th of a second!
(19 total, Query took 0.0007 sec)
Your delusions seem to be the only thing clouding anything.EDITED FOR BREVITY
He proceeds to tell me where I'm wrong, he's right, and that the dead sea scrolls would show me how badly the bible has been tampered with through history. I am diluted (deluded?) by ignorance, and have his pity. Without people like him, society, medicine, and science will never progress.
EDITED FOR BREVITYIncludes a link to an obvious mental case, and then questions whether that is the model I consider for how our laws ought to be framed.
Hmmm....So your new tactic is
If you can't beat them erase them, shorten them, edit them, and then throw in whatever meaning you think I meant.
Not to mention preventing me from commenting at all to certain posts.
I doubt you are qualified to summarize the underlying meaning in my comments since you continuously have trouble grasping the fundamentals of the points I make.
If you'd like proof of what the scientific community thinks about abortion look to the arguments made for stem cell research.
“The main cause of controversy about embryonic stem cells is their source: human embryos and fetuses from therapeutic abortions. "Attitudes toward the integrity of the early embryo run a broad spectrum," Daley noted, from those who see it as only a cluster of undifferentiated cells to those who believe these early human embryos should be accorded the same legal and moral respect as a child. Displaying photographs of human and mouse embryos, he showed that "they're essentially indistinguishable; one can't even ascribe humanity to the embryo at this stage."”
Though I have my doubts that you are actually capable of this I'll post the link anyway.
http://www.csis.org/tech/Biotech/nbpp/Seminar3Brief.htm
Though I use to respect you, now I see that you are a weak person who has to remove from sight the things he cannot explain.
Hmmm....So your new tactic is
If you can't beat them …
I’m not trying to beat you. I do not agree with you, but that’s another matter.
…erase them, shorten them, edit them, and then throw in whatever meaning you think I meant.
I prefer the term “consolidate and summarize.” Please note each consolidation has a link to the location of the full comment.
Not to mention preventing me from commenting at all to certain posts.
My software is set to force moderation on old posts to prevent comment spam. It was not intended to prevent you from commenting. I have since approved the comment in question.
I doubt you are qualified to summarize the underlying meaning in my comments
Well, someone has to do it.
If you'd like proof of what the scientific community thinks about abortion look to the arguments made for stem cell research.
“The main cause of controversy about embryonic stem cells is their source: human embryos and fetuses from therapeutic abortions. "Attitudes toward the integrity of the early embryo run a broad spectrum," Daley noted, from those who see it as only a cluster of undifferentiated cells to those who believe these early human embryos should be accorded the same legal and moral respect as a child. Displaying photographs of human and mouse embryos, he showed that "they're essentially indistinguishable; one can't even ascribe humanity to the embryo at this stage."”
A few points here-
First, the “scientific community” is not a monolithic block with a homogenous view on everything. To suggest that it is is to say that all knowledge has been learned and there is no reason to do further research on anything.
Daley contradicts your assertion that the entire community views the issue through the same eyes by making the statement that “attitudes… run a broad spectrum.”
Furthermore, viewing pictures of similar looking entities does not prove that the entities are not different. His assertion that humanity cannot be ascribed is based on his presuppositions, not a scientific analysis of the subject.
Though I have my doubts that you are actually capable of this I'll post the link anyway. http://www.csis.org/tech/Biotech/nbpp/Seminar3Brief.htm
I’ll look at the link later… I’m busy responding to comments right now.
Though I use to respect you, now I see that you are a weak person…
Here’s an example of that ad hominem stuff again.
…who has to remove from sight the things he cannot explain.
It’s all right here.
Here are a few more links you can view to provide PROOF of how the scientific community actually views a fetus. As a SCIENTIST I can tell you that my colleagues, many of the biochemist and geneticist as well as myself view a fetus (in the early stages - currently legal for abortions) as a mass of human genetic material.
http://home.earthlink.net/~rdmadden/webdocs/Abortion_Philosophy_Sc.html
http://www.scientists4pr.org/abortion1.htm
http://www.csis.org/tech/Biotech/nbpp/Seminar3Brief.htm
Only time will tell if you'll delete this post too.
Either way I no longer consider you worthy.
Besides cheating is almost certainly a sign of defeat and desperation.
Here are a few more links you can view to provide PROOF of how the scientific community actually views a fetus. Uuuummm… are we talking about the monolithic block again? In your last comment you were referring to the “majority.” Which is it, a monolithic block, or a majority?
As a SCIENTIST I can tell you that my colleagues, many of the biochemist and geneticist as well as myself…
your.colleagues + many.biochemists + many.geneticists + your.self = entire.scientific.community
Which textbook do I find this formula in?
…view a fetus (in the early stages - currently legal for abortions) as a mass of human genetic material.
I do not dispute that an unborn child is a mass of human genetic material.
Only time will tell if you'll delete this post too.
This one is short and reasonably stated. There is no reason for me to edit it.
Either way I no longer consider you worthy.
I’m heartbroken. Actually, not.
Besides cheating is almost certainly a sign of defeat and desperation.
It is only cheating when there are established rules. This is my house, I make the rules. This is not a government subsidized, university hosted free speech zone. Once again, let me point out that all your comments in their entirety are right here.
by the MAJORITY of the scientific community I mean the scientists that wrote the articles I linked you to, the scientists quoted in those arguments, the scientists teaching at our public schools, and the scientists that wrote the biochemistry, biology, genetics, and other text books which I've studies over the past 10 years and used to formulate my FACTUALLY backed position on this argument. "It is only cheating when there are established rules. This is my house, I make the rules. This is not a government subsidized, university hosted free speech zone. Once again, let me point out that all your comments in their entirety are right here"
- call it what you will.
But, if you're going to "EDIT" my comments it would probably be more prudent to refrain from placing your own comments within them and applying your own twisted summarization of the facts...
But since I live in a world of objectivity and you do not it is no surprise to me that you fail to grasp the ethics of debate.
twisting facts doens't make them any less true.
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