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I love you, man!
I mean that, too. Not in candy pants funny guy sort of way, but for real! Granted, I can't stand your ideas. I think you are wrong about 93.6% of the time. I believe your political philosophy is detrimental to the future of this great nation. But none of that means that I don't love you.
I really enjoyed fisking your "What makes a liberal" post. I've visited your site a couple of times since then, and even managed to get a comment or two in. Even though we disagree, I don't really understand how it is you have the impression that I "hate" you.
See, that's the same type of rhetoric the left has been throwing at the right for years. Those of us that had sincere disagreements with Bill Clinton were labelled "Clinton Haters." Those of us that believed the words in the constituiton had a particular meaning, and that he had violated his oath of office were said to be driven by "hate."
Now those on the left are quick to call us conservatives Nazis, or RepubliKKKans. They openly refer to the President of the United States as a monkey, or as Hitler, and they actively seek this nation's harm on the basis that he is the sitting president. There is a whole lot of hate coming out of the left. Perhaps that is why they are so quick to put it onto us. I'm trying to remember what that psychological term is when you see your own sickness in someone else... transference?
Thanks for the link. I appreciate your service to our country, and I appreciate your enthusiasm for your ideas. Perhaps someday I can convince you to rethink some of them... but not because I hate you.
I mean that, too. Not in candy pants funny guy sort of way, but for real! Granted, I can't stand your ideas. I think you are wrong about 93.6% of the time. I believe your political philosophy is detrimental to the future of this great nation. But none of that means that I don't love you.I really enjoyed fisking your "What makes a liberal" post. I've visited your site a couple of times since then, and even managed to get a comment or two in. Even though we disagree, I don't really understand how it is you have the impression that I "hate" you.
See, that's the same type of rhetoric the left has been throwing at the right for years. Those of us that had sincere disagreements with Bill Clinton were labelled "Clinton Haters." Those of us that believed the words in the constituiton had a particular meaning, and that he had violated his oath of office were said to be driven by "hate."
Now those on the left are quick to call us conservatives Nazis, or RepubliKKKans. They openly refer to the President of the United States as a monkey, or as Hitler, and they actively seek this nation's harm on the basis that he is the sitting president. There is a whole lot of hate coming out of the left. Perhaps that is why they are so quick to put it onto us. I'm trying to remember what that psychological term is when you see your own sickness in someone else... transference?
Thanks for the link. I appreciate your service to our country, and I appreciate your enthusiasm for your ideas. Perhaps someday I can convince you to rethink some of them... but not because I hate you.
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Thanks for the link, my far-right wing brother.... I shall continue to pray for your soul while I continue to champion the rights of the oppressed and the gunless of our great nation. All in good fun, friend... all in good fun
Well, the reason I visit blogs of people with radically different moral and political views is to see if this kind of respectful dialogue is possible, contrary to what we see on the nighttime talk shows. So, this just warms my proverbially bleeding heart!Just to note, Glenn, the terrible language you cite, regarding what the left has thrown the right, is returned every day. It is a problem of both sides. According to the right, we lefties hate people of faith -- we're attacking Christians (even though many on the left are religious and Christian); we like to kill unborn babies; we sympathize more with Bin Laden, Zarqawi, and Hussein than we do with the good ol' U.S. of A; we like criminals; women who stand up for equality of the sexes are "femi-nazis"; etc...
All of this is bogus, as well. So, let's all try to promote civility in our public discussion.
I will grant that there are those on the right that engage in pretty harsh, even hateful rhetoric. That's regrettable, but I just don't percieve it as being as pervasive from the right as it seems from the left. I'm sure my own bias affects my perspective on this, though.Many (most?) lefties are strongly opposed to religious belief, particularly christian religous belief. There are secularists on the right as well, but they seem more predominant on the left. Often in the flame wars everyone gets lumped in together, but I think that's primarily because these generalizations do have a strong basis in fact.
It does seem to me, though, that there are some political issues where christians ought to clearly come down on one side of the issue. Abortion is one such issue. I don't see where a christian can logically support the right of a mother to wantonly kill her unborn child. I raised this question before, but never did get a reasonable response. (I did get a fairly unreasonable one!)
More civility... Yeah!
Well it's just not true that most people on the left are "opposed" to religious belief. Being opposed to religious belief is far different than not being religious. Who fights harder for the freedom to practice religion than the ACLU? Liberals, like myself, believe that in a constitutional democracy, where the citizens have different faiths and yet are commonly committed to the ideal of freedom and the principles of the constitution, political and legal decisions cannot be based on the religious beliefs of some (or even most, for that matter) because religious beliefs are based on faith that we do not all have in common. Rather, they should be based on reasons we all share in virtue of being human and in being American. Notice, there's no animosity towards religion itself there -- just animosity to the idea that political and legal decisions should be based on purely religious principles of a particular creed.
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